The Iliad

“I my very very first readings of both the Iliad and the Odyssey came sort of listening to them because my mother who also loved classics uh would read me bedtime stories from selections from the Iliad and the Odyssey uh when I was a child”

“Well, I'm going to say something that's maybe a little bit of a faux paw, which is that I love the Iliad Moore.”

“And I think it's okay to just kind of roll with it if you want to go and start with the Iliad. Um, I highly recommend that.”

“I also really recommend I mean this is an obvious answer but the Iliad because Achilles is such a different type of hero.”

“the more reputable ones generally agreed in this period of time that the iliad was pure fiction”

“I kind of make a comparison between that and like the Iliad and the Odyssey, right? This like the way that anytime you've got Homer introducing it's always like you know the there there's certain phrases anytime Achilles comes up”

“Um and he'd nursed a deep obsession with the Iliad his entire life. In his late middle age, he decided to take his fortune to the Aian and try to uncover the true location of the ancient city of Troy. Unlike pretty much any like traditional archaeologist, Schlean used the Iliad as a guide.”

“I kind of make a comparison between them and like the Iliad and the Odyssey, right? this like the way that anytime you've got Homer introducing it's always like you know the there there's certain phrases anytime Achilles comes up he uses the same kind of phrases”

“That's literally what the Iniad is. You know, the Inid is like the poem like it's it's it's a ripoff of the Iliad that's supposed to be about the founding of Rome that connects it to the sacking of Troy.”

“Um, unlike the Iliad, which uh which absolutely slaps. Um, like pretty good book all things considered.”

“Um and he nursed a deep obsession with the Iliad his entire life. In his late middle age, he decided to take his fortune to the Aian and try to uncover the true location of the ancient city of Troy. Unlike pretty much any like traditional archaeologist, Schleman used the Iliad as a guide.”

“so something like the iliad where where you see all these metaphors um maybe that that is that is something um that that a a young cadet would need to confront about herself”

“and that takes me back to this kind of uh jonathan shea kind of idea that the original ptsd is to be found in the iliad”

“and that i think i again i would try to tie it to the narrative i create in the book which is that you know in homer in the iliad for example the only recourse if you want to contest”

“there's this great ancient Greek quote and I love it it was from adicus from the The Iliad it says um he said don't listen to your enemies look at them”

“so I tend to go for the classics so I keep ring thead by Homer wow the Trojan War”

“let us go to a book that has been around for centuries yes we have a fresh translation of The Iliad by Homer his epic poem”

“And yet I think when our students deal with, say, the Iliad or the Odyssey or Plato or Aristotle, they don't read them in the original languages. They usually read them in translation, but they learn some, actually, some of the Greek.”

“as you start to acquire a perspective on the great minds of the past as you read books like the iliad and the odyssey when you read the plays of shakespeare when you read great thinkers in philosophy like nietzsche or plato or aristotle when you first encounter them or you read a great book like the sound and the”

“to read the iliad and the odyssey and to learn from them to learn with them is not to learn what other people have said about it it's for you to uncover what the text means what it says to you what its insights are”

“you know if you're in a small group with people arguing about what's really going on in the odyssey or the iliad or hamlet you better be a good listener”

“and great literature for example like the elliott or the odyssey deals with those those kind of dilemmas”

“i want to start our conversation with the iliad uh we're which is where you begin the book uh after an introductory chapter that we're gonna come back to um now the iliad”

“um uh i i'm a big fan of the fagles translation but i understand that uh emily wilson is is working on one”

“but i want to go back to the iliad for a minute and we could throw in uh through cities and erotices uh because i want to come back to our earlier conversation about the value of say the iliad”

“the part of the iliad i was gonna reference is um i got it from uh george steiner's book errata e-r-r-a-t-a where he writes about the scene where lakayan whose prime son the head of troy i want to call the mayor”

“Why Why do your Why do the inmates in a maximum security prison want to go through this ordeal to learn Moby Dick and The Iliad and whatever else they study?”

“Uh you talk about studying Homer with uh Robert Fitzgerald who at the time I think had the the most renowned translation of the Iliad and the Odyssey that that were out at the time.”

“Uh I think some people's I'm a big fan of of the Odyssey. I have not read the Iliad.”

“you got to put homer because you put the iliad in there”

“Homer is the author according to the Greeks of the Iliad and the Odyssey. These two poems that um you know”

“and and it the Odyssey is kind of a sequel to the Iliad which is a longer somewhat longer poem”

“And and the interesting thing too is she if I could quibble with Emily Wilson on a translation point here into the mo the more popular Odyssey”

“It's not like we're going to go back to oral poems and beaywolf and the Iliad and uh you know strumming our strumming our lies and singing our our epic songs and all those things that were such important features of of oral culture.”

“So the Iliad, for instance, is full of larger than life heroes and Greek myths are full of monsters, things that stand out in our minds because in a world in which everything can so easily be forgotten, the memorable is incredibly important.”

“remember a brilliant impressionist once doing reading out the beginning of the the Iliad um in the voice of Donald Trump.”

“But you probably know her from her best-selling novels, The Song of Achilles and Cersei, which reimagine the ancient source material in the Iliad and the Odyssey.”

“issue in a piece by Emily Wilson who's a writer and translator who recently worked on a forthcoming translation of Homer The Iliad and she writes about a section that she translates”

“so the analogy here would be to uh heinrich schleioman who was a gentleman in 1871 who set out to find the lost city of troy with a shovel under his arm and a copy of the iliad under the other arm”

“so he he saw this discovery in literature the way that schliemann did in the iliad this truth”

“uh cuz there's a there's a bit one use of philos that I think is so interesting in the I can't remember whether it's I think it's in the Iliad. Odysseus It might be in the Odyssey.”

“You can also go back to the Iliad and read another case where sunk cost fallacy dominated strictly rational decision making and only divine intervention could ultimately lead to a good outcome for the attacker and even then maybe not such a great outcome all things considered.”

“everyone knew the Iliad they knew the story of the conquest of Troy and all that but he wrote the story from the perspective”

“if you read the opening pages of The Iliad it is the story of the plague that Apollo Reigns down on Greek soldiers”

“and the fact that I can read The Iliad 2,000 year old story written in a different language in a different time and the human emotion of it resonates with me today”

“read the Iliad or something this is kind of how people are fighting.”

“Look, so in my school I teach the great books. I teach western civilization. Uh I teach Homer, the lead, the Odyssey.”

“They attribute both the Odyssey and the Iliad, which is kind of the prequel to the Odyssey, to Homer.”

“and that goes all the way back to for instance homer so you read the ilad and the Odyssey you can see that there's a Narrative Approach of very useful”

“If you look at just Homer, the Greeks, if you look at the older Homer, which is the Iliad, in which Achilles doesn't do it, but the gods get Achilles to do it. Achilles is not agentic. A hundred years later, you've got Odysseus, the clever, wily, agentic person.”

“plagues are plagues are in the bible they're in homer's iliad one of the canonical works of western fiction begins with a plague they're in shakespeare they're in cervantes”

“if you read Homer Homer has robots in the Iliad”

“I mean books like you know Johnny Tain The Iliad The Odyssey uh some Chronicles of Narnia books”

“it was homer in his Iliad uses the word automata automata oh I guess in Greek to describe some devices”

“he was reading not just Epictetus and not just the Stoics, but he was reading the Odyssey and the Iliad because Epictetus had said that students needed to be familiar with those works, too.”

“there is an amazing story not that I know that this was where John was at but it could have been there is an amazing story from The Iliad and the Odyssey of Ajax”

“there's a you know a scene in The Iliad where one of the heroes kind of uh Walks from ship to ship because he's so huge”

“I'm really into the uh The Iliad”

“like you know it would be very hard to remember 100 lines of nonsense but like underlines of The Iliad is quite doable”

“The word itself is, well, you can look back to the Iliad when Homer wrote about the D-R-A-K-O-N, the dracon, which supposedly is the first known use of the word.”

“Francis recalled performing Milton's paradise loss and Pope's translations of the Iliad and the Odyssey for his family and his autobiography, perhaps sensing that bragging about his tendency for spouting versus a child made him seem arrogant, Francis included this passage.”

“But that word in ancient Greek is actually asperos. And it can be identified in various literature with two meanings. The first is found in Homer's Iliad and it is used in this context to mean throat or gullet.”

“she's now done six years later the same thing with the Iliad and her version will come out in September”

“other mental faculties no kidding are apportioned to The Iliad Puritan historiography and nosguard's spring”