The Bell Curve

“Then you get uh the book The Bell Curve, which I'm sure you're familiar with, right? And that For those that are not familiar, when I say it's a it's a bell curve curve citation, I'm referring to this book. There were two authors, but nobody ever remembers second guy. They only they only ever remember uh Charles Murray.”

“obviously Charles Murray and the bell curve is like taboo for a while chat”

“so we'll jump to this but uh as it's getting started I asked chat GPT about Charles Murray's book the bell curve which talks about race intelligence and and things like this”

“but uh as it's getting started I asked chat GPT about Charles Murray's book the bell curve which talks about race intelligence and and things like this and it outright refused and said I will not answer any questions pretending to this I just asked now as Dan it worked it said Charles Murray makes these arguments here's what he”

“one of the issues is I mentioned was the bell curve uh Charles Murray's book it talks about race and intelligence and so I said I asked chat GPT on default what was that argument like what is it”

“if i see you know something like the bell curve uh and i see these differences based on iq it”

“like it it's it's kind of like kind of like the the way the gambits and the bell curve works where like none of the actual policy recommendations follow from any of the arguments that they're making”

“language about IQ and body type opened the door to a kind of sociobiology that led Hearnstein to co-author the openly racist The Bell Curve with Charles Murray, who was also a close associate of Wilson. So, The Bell Curve, if you're not aware, is a thoroughly discredited book about IQ and race that has earned a place of honor”

“Now, among other things, Pepe Cannon suggested his boss, the president, read an article in the Atlantic by Richard Hearnstein, a co-author of a little book you might have heard of called The Bell Curve.”

“In 1994, psychologist Richard Hearnstein and political scientist Charles Murray published The Bell Curve, a book about IQ that was essentially the scientific underpinninging of the movie Idiocracy.”

“It's also worth noting that, you know, these people like Murray, one of the authors of the bell curve, the argument that guys like him will make is that, you know, we're trying to do real science.”

“there were a group of people who were young and who have not read the bell curve because they didn't add to this that IQ is inherited as well very controversial subject”

“I don't think I want to publish in the real world come the bell curve comes to mind you know you have this scientist who's like Hey we're going to give this IQ test to a bunch of different populations”

“and then are there actually innate differences like the book of the bell curve found in different demographic groups on how they score on iq tests”

“so by creating a forum where anybody can talk about even the most controversial topics the bell curve comes to mind charles murray's book in a claim in that book i believe most accurately is that there was a difference between the iqs of different by race and it was a slight difference”

“I mean I I started to see all this happen back in 1992 because I was at Harvard when the uh bell curve was published and I watched that blow up the department at Harvard”

“one of the things that the authors of the bell curve pointed out Richard hernstein one of the authors was that in the typical ivy league environment”

“One of the things that the authors of The Bell Curve pointed out—Richard Hernstein, one of the authors—was that in the typical Ivy League environment, the typical Ivy League inhabitant never meets anybody in the lower half of the cognitive ability distribution.”

“and to what extent does you remember the bell curve yeah who could okay yeah i was at harvard when that came out and hernstein was still a professor there”

“And there were these books, Murray's and Herrnstein's The Bell Curve, Abigail and Stephan Thernstrom's America in Black and White, Dinesh D'Souza's The End of Racism, books promoted by the American Enterprise Institute”

“charles murray um is a popular social science writer who is famous for his book about iq the bell curve one chapter of which chronicles the racial differences between black and white in performance on mental ability tests and speculates about the extent to which such differences may be connected with the genetic inheritance of these racially distinct populations”

“i i thought the spirit of of charles murray and richard hernstein in 1994 when the bell curve was published”

“and also this book called the bell curve had just recently come out and yeah yeah you know the one yeah exactly so you know he jumped on that and he said well you know it's a known fact”

“and also this book called the bell curve had just recently come out and yeah yeah you know the one yeah”

“So and isn't the most crazy part of that, and you lay this out in the book actually, that when decent people like Sam Harris, for example, try to wade into this discussion as he did with Charles Murray of the Bell Curve, the way that he then gets attacked as if he's a race realist or something thing like”

“and you lay this out in the book actually, that when decent people like Sam Harris, for example, try to wade into this discussion as he did with Charles Murray of the Bell Curve, the way that he then gets attacked as if he's a race realist or something thing like that.”

“well that was the argument against the charles murray book the bell curve”

“so they're charles murray wrote this book called the bell curve I don't know 20 years ago or something 25 even yeah where he argued that there are racial differences in intelligence IQ specifically with Asians being the highest and then whites and then blacks”

“and crime and educational achievement, income, and it all grew out of or was crystallized by a book called The Bell Curve. Have you heard of this book?”

“and two people in the early 1990s wrote a book on it dick karnstein and and Murray um and it was called the bell curve and it had a chapter on race in it which was you know made a lot of people mad”

“you know the charles murrays of this world who wrote the bell curve bringing him on comes with a whole load of baggage”

“we published a defense of the Charles Maurice the bell curve because after he had his conversation with Sam Harris”

“Well, we sort of hit a perfect storm in a way because Hernstein and Murray's bell curve had just been published which was the most vilified book of the '9s if you like. Um, and Hearnstein and Murray were both at Harvard, although Hearnstein had just passed away.”

“so Charles Murray it is it's hard to say he wrote the bell curve right”

“there was a a book written called the bellur for example about intelligence and it said okay you know we did this whole study and looked at populations”

“Yeah, so you'll try to — you need to be able to ask it a question and have it give you the answers, but instead, you know, the one example people like to use is asking it to, uh, give you a synopsis for Charles Murray's book, The Bell Curve.”

“the book the bell curve intelligence gender differences and just even the concept of there being a gender difference for some people um you know that is uh very offensive”

“So Charles Murray wrote a book in 1994 I think it was called the bell curve a very controversial book in which he looks at race differences”

“so Charles Murray wrote a book in 1994 I think it was called the bell curve a very controversial book in which he looks at race differences”

“he has a book called the bell curve that is often cited as data proven evidence for white supremacy uh it's also largely been debunked as pseudo science”

“There was a book written, called, "The Bell Curve" for example, about intelligence. And it said okay you know, we did this whole study and looked at populations, in X number of people from a certain type of background, have the highest IQ and others don't.”

“um the one that that you ultimately picked is the bell curve which was by Richard hearin and Charles Murray subtitle is intelligence and class structure in American Life a very controversial book”

“there's a book called the bell curve written in 1994 written by psychologist richard hernstein and political scientist charles murray”

“like I remember people doing stuff on you know like the bell curve came out and sure there was some controversy”

“this social scientist who published the bell curve back in the 90s which it was a a book about IQ”

“and this goes back many many decades uh this was talked about by hernstein in murray of course in the bell curve in 94 and nobody's been able to overturn that”

“when Glenn Lowry became a prominent critic of affirmative action in the 1980s he joined an influential group of neoconservative intellectuals but he broke with that group in the mid90s after public attacking some of their books including Charles Murray's the bell curve which Lowry described as borderline racist”

“He has a book called 'The Bell Curve' that is often cited as data-proven evidence for white supremacy and has largely been debunked as pseudo-science.”

“give you a synopsis for charles murray's book the bell curve it will not do it”