Abundance

“So Gavin Newsome is now taking aim at the California Environmental Quality Act, which if you've read Abundance, if you followed Ezra Klein's work, that is a sort of fixation.”

“Ezra Klein has been making the media rounds for his new book on abundance and is getting very little push back.”

“and she writes, "I still can't tell after reading Abundance whether Klein and Thompson are seeking something fairly smallbore incorrect."”

“A lot of what we're pointing out in the book is that the player that is often most regulated is not the market. It's the government itself.”

“And so Ezra goes on now at length in that uh in that interview and in his book um laying out really what is an outrageous and absurd process.”

“The book focuses on you what's the difference between California and Texas. And my question based on that would just be to what extent did Democrats or did the I guess lefts uh push for more regulation...”

“So, so the the abundance argument uh from Ezra and Derek Thompson is zeros in a lot on housing because like I think that's the that's the place where you can really kind of nail some of these nimbies...”

“and then you have a sort of new entrant which is the abundance concept which is um you know co-authored the book co-authored by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson and Ezra has been both of them have been doing media tour we had um dererk here to talk about the books and his ideas as well”

“joining us now great friend of the show Jerick Thompson and he is out with a new book which is just seemingly everywhere abundance that he co-authored with Ezra Klein”

“Derek Thompson is going to join us for an interview about his new book and the political theory that he is sharing here with Ezra Klein yeah I'm excited to talk to him this uh book taking there's a lot of discourse around it”

“um I'm not a hater of abundance but my own assessment is that it misses some things and maybe it's not meant to be a complete ideology which is part of what I I want you to respond to... eer tant had I think a a good response to the abundance um to to your book and some of the”

“so um I actually this which gets to another one of my my questions to you and one of the the uh critiques that I've seen of the the book and the and the paradigm shift contained therein is that there's a couple of assumptions that are taken here”

“Derek really appreciate your analysis as always everybody go by the book uh we'll have a link down in the description”

“He's got a new book with Derek Thompson, Abundance, and he co-founded Vox in 2014, and he's our guest here today before Trump ships him to El Salvador.”

“All right, Ezra Klein's new book, Abundance, is out in fine bookstores and Amazon and all kinds of other places you can get it.”

“Together they've written a new book, simply titled Abundance, that lays out a kind of manifesto for the left. It is already a controversial, widely debated book, but I think it puts forward a powerful vision”

“And we should say that the book you've mentioned, which I've gotten a chance to read, and I think it's incredible, highly recommend, it's called Abundance, I think of it as a kind of manifesto for what the left would represent in the coming years”

“there's this new book out called abundance from Ezra Klene who I would say I disagree with on approximately zero of everything”

“Ezra has a new book out with Derek Thompson called Abundance.”

“A plug again for the book Abundance by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson. Wonderful book. I recommend it to everyone.”

“And I think that the book that Derek Thompson I wrote released us here abundance which it was one of these things.”

“So, I probably agree with a lot of what you said, Derek, but at the level of vibes, abundance has been more factionally controversial in the Democratic party than I would have expected”

“And I think something that neither of our books ended up doing all that well was really describing what that vision of the future would look like.”

“and the other which is like the big critique that gets made of certainly our book, I don't know if it is as true in the critique that gets made of yours is that abundance just isn't focused on the right enemies.”

“I just wrote an entire book about the failures of Democratic policymaking in this specific era. What I am saying is the bid administration's view of trade was that there are targeted industries we should be putting a lot of both domestic policy and international policy into play in order to protect and reshore or French shore...”

“So my book, Abundance, is more about how Democrats govern at both the state and and local and federal level and some of the pathologies of governance there. They make it hard for for liberals to achieve their goals. There are versions of this on the right, but I'm not really writing about that in in this. So my book”

“in government they just wrote a new book all about this it's called abundance”

“you begin this new book of yours abundance with kind of a vision a utopian Vision”

“I think the diagnosis of what is stopping us from doing that is lacking a little bit in the abundance books because they're putting it all on sort of liberal interest groups.”

“so we started writing this book two and a half years ago when we were motivated by and scandalized by exactly what you said the crises of manufactured scarcity in the 21st century... but I think it's really important to ground the fact that the book came out in March 2025”

“and as we say in the book I think this is Ezra's line I have to say you know democrats should be able to say vote for us”

“I consider myself essentially a social libertarian even though those ideas aren't particularly present in the book”

“so what we're trying to say at a very basic level is there are some cities in this country I at least in the house for the housing part because the book the book is is capacious from the housing part”

“and it's very easy to Define specifically in the language of abundance right... this is a scarcity mindset across the board and in just opposition to that I think an abundance minds and an abundance book and an abundance message Rings very very clearly”

“this book and our critique absolutely forces liberals to take a look in the mirror”

“I think Ezra Klein’s book Abundance actually makes the point that there are costs and benefits to a lot of things. This “austerity” language pretends there are no costs to having your debt be higher and only benefits.”

“I think what abundance has done for the first time really since then is to open up a conversation about whether we need to rethink that core notion of what progressivism is about.”

“Thrust into prominence by a book in March 2025 simply called abundance by liberal stalwart Ezra Klene and Derek Thompson who is slightly less wellknown.”

“I just sat down with Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson about their book Abundance.”

“Well, and so Ezra tells a story in his book about the creation of this law um being quite a quiet affair.”