Episode · Interesting Times · 2025-07-24

Books mentioned on U.F.O.s: What Does the Government Really Know? | Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

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Books mentioned, in the order they came up

  1. Passport to Magonia

    Jacques Vallee · at 10:33

    Passport to Magonia by Jacques Vallee is a seminal ufological text that posits modern UFO sightings are modern manifestations of ancient folklore, fairylike entities, and interdimensional phenomena.

    Discussed
    “So one of the first books I read when I made the turn to study U.F.O. beliefs and practices was Jack’s "Passport to Magonia," which is a great book, one of the many great titles of books in the U.F.O. literature.”
    Where to get it
Other mentions in this episode (3) — ad reads, self-promotion and passing references, never counted
Passing Close Encounters of the Third Kind
“So I didn’t believe in U.F.O.s, had never seen "Close Encounters of the Third Kind."”
Own book American Cosmic
“So what I’m suggesting and I say this in my book, American cosmic, is that this is a new form of religion, actually.”
Own book American Cosmic
“So when I started the research for American cosmic, I said, O.K, this is going to be pretty easy because we have the internet here and we have all of this data.”