Episode · EconTalk · 2025-04-28
Russ Roberts & Dwarkesh Patel: books mentioned on EconTalk
The Past and Future of AI (with Dwarkesh Patel)
Dwarkesh Patel interviewed the most influential thinkers and leaders in the world of AI and chronicled the history of AI up to now in his book, The Scaling Era. Listen as he talks to EconTalk's Russ Roberts about the book, the dangers and potential of AI, and the role scale plays in AI progress.
Russ Roberts discussed The Scaling Era by Dwarkesh Patel. Dwarkesh Patel recommended The Secret of Our Success by Joseph Henrich.
Books mentioned, in the order they came up
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The Scaling Era
Discussed“At the end of the first chapter, you say uh this book's knowledge cutoff is November 2024.”
Where to get it
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The Secret of Our Success
The Secret of Our Success by Joseph Henrich explores how human cultural evolution and cooperation, rather than raw individual intelligence alone, drove our species to dominate the globe.
Recommended“Joseph Henrik has this wonderful book about this. It wasn't just it wasn't um just intelligence, it wasn't even mainly intelligence.”
Where to get it
Other mentions in this episode (1) — ad reads, self-promotion and passing references, never counted
Passing The Scaling Era
“He is the author with Gavin Leech of the scaling era, an oral history of AI 2019 to 2025, which is our topic for today along with many other things I suspect.”

