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Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang book recommendations
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.
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A Court of Thorns and Roses
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Walt Disney
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Marsha
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Times Square Red, Times Square Blue
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The Gentle Art of Swedish Death Cleaning
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The Artist's Way
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The Lost Girls
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Notes on a Scandal
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Lost and Sound
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Keeping Faith
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A Little Life
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The Wonderful Wizard of Oz
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The Exorcist
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Dear America
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The Care and Keeping of You 2
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The Meaning of Mariah Carey
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The Naked and the Dead
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Slouching Toward Bethlehem
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Study Guide
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Trick Mirror
Most recommended on Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
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The Book Thief
Host Matt Rogers referenced books during two episodes of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. In the episode "Gas Me Up, Lil Bro! (w/ Joanna "JoJo" Levesque)," Rogers brought up a book that humorously discusses "Breezy," noting its funny commentary and expressing a desire to delve further into it. In the episode "Emergency With Our Closest Friend (w/ Cole Escola)," Rogers made a broader remark about literature, observing that a book can cover any subject matter.
Discussed“I—we have to talk about Breezy because it gets talked about in the book in a way that's so funny and we must get into it!”
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A Court of Thorns and Roses
On the September 9, 2026 episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, guest Carly Rae Jepsen brought up Sarah J. Maas's book series A Court of Thorns and Roses. Jepsen discussed the romantic fantasy series while explaining why she was kicked out of her book club because she could not take the fairy wings in the story seriously.
Discussed“You know what is thorns and roses? Oh, romantis. Okay. So, it has all the ingredients I should like totally”
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A Little Life
On Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, host Matt Rogers briefly mentioned Hanya Yanagihara's novel 'A Little Life'. Rogers noted that he still needed to finish reading the novel and described it as a notably difficult book to get through.
Discussed“That could be good; I still have to finish A Little Life. That’s a hard one!”
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A walk to remember
On Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, guest Mandy Moore joined the hosts to discuss her career, leading to a conversation about A Walk to Remember, the film adaptation of the novel by Nicholas Sparks. Host Bowen Yang recalled contemplating a rewatch of the film adaptation as an outlet for emotional catharsis, specifically to experience a good cry. The hosts and Moore highlighted the film's lasting emotional resonance with audiences who grew up watching the adaptation of Sparks's work.
Discussed“And then how does it... like the choice 'cause Walk to Remember was the first movie, right? Princess Di? Oh my God!”
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Animal Farm
George Orwell's Animal Farm was mentioned on Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang in August 2023. During the episode, Bowen Yang shared a different book recommendation titled Animal Joy, noting that it centered on the theme of laughter.
Discussed“You would love it, it's called Animal Joy and it's about laughter!”
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Dear America
During an episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang titled Drink Juice and Spill Tea featuring guest Rachel Bloom, the participants explored journaling as a self-care practice. In the conversation, Bloom referenced Susan Campbell Bartoletti's Dear America series, highlighting it as an example of youth journaling culture.
Discussed“It always says, 'Journal,' that's almost a thing you've been told from a young age–like the American Girl book and keeping of you is Dear America. Did you ever read this? Dear America?”
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Flowers in the Attic
During the February 7, 2024 episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, guest Tina Fey discussed V. C. Andrews' novel Flowers in the Attic. She reflected on the book as a significant cultural touchstone from her youth, recalling reading it while spending time at the beach on the Jersey Shore and on the trolley to work.
Discussed“Just thinking culturally too, it was like VC Andrews, Flowers in the Attic. Flowers in the Attic, reading those on like the beach at the Jersey Shore, or like on the trolley to work.”
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Into the Woods
During an appearance on Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang ("“The Russian Tsarina” (w/ Sarah Squirm)", 2023-08-23), guest Sarah Squirm brought up the book Into the Woods. While speaking with the hosts, Squirm clarified her experience with the title, emphasizing that she had only read the book version. She explicitly noted that she had not read the original play script nor had she watched the movie adaptation, keeping her familiarity strictly to the reading material itself.
Discussed“No, well, Into the Woods—I didn't read the play! I only read the book!”
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Keeping Faith
During the November 20, 2024 episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang titled 'CLOWNS (w/ Ana Gasteyer)', guest Ana Gasteyer humorously recounted learning that a book-on-tape editor who worked on Jimmy Carter's memoir 'Keeping Faith' happened to recognize her, leading to a discussion about her unexpected connection.
Discussed“But somebody told me that a book editor—a book-on-tape editor had also worked on his memoirs! And I don't know how it came up, but he mentioned, he was like, 'Oh, the comedian Anna Gasteyer, she was a friend of—' which was such a weird feeling that he knew who I was!”
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Kiss of the spider woman
On an episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang titled HATERS on October 2, 2024, the hosts discussed Kiss of the Spider Woman. They talked about a media project involving Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck, noting that Matt Damon was a producer on the film.
Discussed“But I will say the gag is that he and Matt Damon are producers on Kiss of the Spiderwoman. Yeah, which is going—going, which I heard is good. Okay.”
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Lost and Sound
During the March 19, 2025 episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang titled '"Huge Fornicators" (w/ Cate Blanchett)', one of the hosts mentioned reading 'Lost and Sound' by Tobias Rapp. The host stated that they were using the book as research for an upcoming trip to Berlin, exploring themes related to the city's nightlife and budget travel.
Discussed“I'm we're reading a book now in the research um it's called Lost And Sound um you know the the the the beginnings of berine and the EasyJet set”
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Love Warrior
On the June 28, 2023, episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang featuring guest Kelly Clarkson, the book "Love Warrior" by Glennon Doyle Melton came up. Clarkson suggested that every singer should experience a specific phase in their career akin to having a "Glennon Doyle era" or a "Love Warrior era."
Discussed“I think every singer should have a Glennon Doyle era, should have like a Love Warrior era. Yeah, should have a Brene Brown era, I feel like grenade.”
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Marsha
On the May 14, 2025 episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang titled “Turn Up The Volume” (w/ Tourmaline), Matt Rogers introduced the guest's new book about Marsha P. Johnson. Toward the end of the episode, Rogers strongly recommended Tourmaline's book, Marsha, The Joy and Defiance of Marcia P. Johnson, noting that it comes out on May 20th and stating that listeners would enrich themselves by reading it.
Discussed“Um yes, the book is Marca, the joy and defiance of Marcia P. Johnson.”
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Mémoires d'Hadrien
On Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, specifically in the episode Gas Me Up, Lil Bro! (w/ Joanna "JoJo" Levesque) from September 14, 2024, Marguerite Yourcenar's Mémoires d'Hadrien was touched upon. JoJo shared that she had been reading a variety of memoirs over the previous couple of years while considering writing her own.
Discussed“I was reading a lot of memoirs in the past couple of years when I was thinking about writing one.”
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Merrily We Roll Along
On Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang in November 2023, Stephen Sondheim's work 'Merrily We Roll Along' was mentioned by Matt, who remarked during the conversation that he had forgotten who wrote the book.
Discussed“I forgot who wrote the book!”
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Nancy Drew 40
On Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, the host discussed "Nancy Drew 40" by Mildred Augustine Wirt Benson during an episode from October 12, 2024. In a segment humorously addressing the famous youthful detective, the host remarked that she did not make a certain list, exclaimed her name, and highlighted her reputation for always getting to the bottom of mysteries.
Discussed“You definitely didn't make the list! 321, Nancy Drew! Nancy Drew! You know who gets to the bottom of it every time?”
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Notes on a Scandal
On the March 19, 2025 episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang titled ""Huge Fornicators" (w/ Cate Blanchett)," Matt Rogers briefly mentioned reading a book for research while discussing various topics with the guests and co-host.
Discussed“we're reading a book now in the research um it's called Lost And Sound”
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Pachinko
On Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang in May 2024, guest Dua Lipa shared during a conversation about recommendations and taste that she was currently reading Min Jin Lee's novel 'Pachinko'.
Discussed“Uh, she’s reading Pachinko! Taste!”
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Picasso
A bound book regarding Pablo Picasso was featured on Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang on July 26, 2023. Host Matt Rogers discussed a physical, bound rulebook created for the podcast by a studio, which contained the show's official 'rules of culture'. Rogers opened the book on air to highlight specific entries, such as Rule of Culture number six, designating a song as a national anthem.
Discussed“Joco Studio made this for us at joke at joco.io! I mean a bound book!”
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Slouching Toward Bethlehem
On Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, the speakers discussed Joan Didion's essay collection Slouching Towards Bethlehem. During the episode titled The Iconic 400!, they referenced the book while also mentioning Didion's notable essay Goodbye to All That as part of their conversation.
Discussed“Um, Slouching Towards Bethlehem! And of course, did you read Goodbye to All That when you left New York? I think people sent it to you!”
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Study Guide
On Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, the hosts discussed SuperSummary's Study Guide material alongside Joan Didion's essay. During the exchange, they talked about whether people read Goodbye to All That upon leaving New York and discussed the cultural impact of its author.
Discussed“And of course, did you read Goodbye to All That when you left New York? I think people sent it to you! No, did you send me that book?”
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The Art of War
On Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, the hosts highlighted Sun Tzu's The Art of War as part of their cultural countdown. They discussed the massive influence the ancient text has exerted across modern culture, noting its surprising popularity among reality television stars.
Discussed“Number 213, Sun Tzu wrote 'The Art of War.' Yes, which has inspired many, many, many people, reality stars even. By any means necessary, by any means necessary.”
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The Artist's Way
On Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, Chappell Roan brought up "The Artist's Way" by Julia Cameron during the episode "Fairy Drag Queen Guinea Pig" in April 2025. Roan shared that the book taught her how to protect her creativity, treat herself well, and remain gentle with herself, later referencing specific exercises from the text during the conversation.
Recommended“Creatively, The Artist's Way. I don't know if you've ever That book taught me how to protect my creativity and like how to be really treat myself really well and be really gentle with myself.”
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The Care and Keeping of You 2
On Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, guest Rachel Bloom discussed the importance of self-care and journaling during the Drink Juice and Spill Tea episode. She referenced the book The Care and Keeping of You 2 by Cara Familian as a significant resource that was widely read by young women in the mid-1990s.
Discussed“I’m talking about there's an American Girl book from the mid-90s called The Care and Keeping of You that every young woman read! And it featured a graphic illustration of a girl putting a tampon in—every woman listening to this or watching this who was born in the late 80s or early 90s knows what I’m talking about!”
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The Creative Habit
During the October 12, 2024 episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang titled The Iconic 400!, the speaker highlighted 'The Creative Habit' by Twyla Tharp. The speaker described it as a wonderful book and encouraged everyone to read it, noting that it continues to inspire dancers today.
Discussed“And she wrote a wonderful book called The Creative Habit, which I encourage everyone to read, inspiring dancers still today! Still today!”
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The Exorcist
In the October 23, 2024 episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang titled Drink Juice and Spill Tea with guest Rachel Bloom, William Peter Blatty's novel The Exorcist was discussed. Bloom shared that she actively sought out dark humor in her youth and chose to read The Exorcist for an eighth-grade book report, reflecting on the fact that the intense horror novel was entirely inappropriate for a thirteen-year-old.
Discussed“I looked for dark humor like dead baby jokes; I read The Exorcist for an eighth-grade book report, and I wrote about The Exorcist. That book is not appropriate for a 13-year-old!”
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The Gentle Art of Swedish Death Cleaning
On the April 23, 2025 episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang titled “I’m The Party” (w/ Amy Poehler), guest Amy Poehler discussed Margareta Magnusson's book The Gentle Art of Swedish Death Cleaning. Poehler mentioned that she produced a television show based on the concept and explicitly named the book, explaining the Swedish practice of clearing out one's belongings before death to help family members.
Discussed“There's a thing called Swedish death cleaning. I produced a show about it which is all about that. Swedish death cleaning. the gentle art of Swedish death cleaning, which is the Swedes believe one of the things that you can do for your family is you can clear out your stuff before you die.”
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The Great Gatsby
On an episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang titled 'Throw Up Ya Hands (w/ Taylor Tomlinson)' from May 15, 2024, the hosts playfully discussed F. Scott Fitzgerald's novel 'The Great Gatsby'. During the conversation, they affectionately mentioned a character and her connection to the classic story.
Discussed“Wrote Great.... Love, love her in Great Gatsby! She rode herself into Great Gat actually!”
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The Lost Girls
During the March 19, 2025 episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang titled "Huge Fornicators" (w/ Cate Blanchett), Matt Rogers mentioned that they were currently reading D. J. Taylor's The Lost Girls for research purposes.
Discussed“we're reading a book now in the research um it's called Lost And Sound”
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The Meaning of Mariah Carey
During the episode "It's Time! (w/ Mariah Carey)" on Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, hosts Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang spoke directly with guest Mariah Carey about her memoir, "The Meaning of Mariah Carey." The hosts reminisced about previously hosting a dedicated book club episode on the podcast centered on her memoir, describing it as a vital piece of music history and a personal favorite. They commended Carey for her candid truthfulness in the text, highlighting how her personal disclosures provided deeper emotional resonance when listening to her songs, including "Outside" and "Close My Eyes."
Discussed“So back in the day, we did on this podcast, we did a book club reading of 'The Meaning of Mariah Carey'! We did! And because it's my favorite book, and it is like, I think it's a piece of music history!”
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The Naked and the Dead
On Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang in October 2024, Mariah Carey discussed The Naked and the Dead by Norman Mailer. Carey shared her long-standing admiration for Marilyn Monroe and explained that she explored Monroe's life through various books, specifically highlighting works written by Norman Mailer.
Discussed“And then from then on, I was a huge fan of hers and looked up all her... you know stuff from her life! Books about her, you know, books by Norman Mailer! You know, just like incredible!”
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The Notebook
On the March 21, 2024 episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang featuring Mandy Moore, Moore discussed reading a Nicholas Sparks book targeted at her age group. She explained that reading the book prompted her strong desire to work on an adaptation related to it during her early acting career.
Discussed“For sure, yeah, but I had read, of course, this Nicholas Sparks book! It was like targeted for someone like me, my age! And I was like, I have to do this!”
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The secret of the old clock
During the episode 'The Iconic 400!' on Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, the hosts engaged in a playful discussion about the Nancy Drew mystery series. They brought up the book 'The secret of the old clock,' questioning whether it was the very first mystery in the Nancy Drew franchise. During their exchange, the hosts attempted to recall the specific details of the plot, jokingly asking each other if anyone could remember what the secret of the old clock actually turned out to be.
Discussed“Yeah, that—that her first mystery was The Old Clock? Was that the first mystery she ever did?”
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The Virgin Suicides
On the Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang episode "Truants and Delinquents" (featuring Aaron Jackson and Josh Sharp), broadcast on October 4, 2023, one of the hosts mentioned Jeffrey Eugenides's novel "The Virgin Suicides." The host shared that they were nearly finished reading the book and noted that they had never seen the movie adaptation.
Discussed“I am almost done with The Virgin Suicides, which I've never... never seen the movie!”
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The War of the Worlds
On the 2023-07-26 episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang titled “Forever-Coded” (w/ Matt & Bowen), host Matt Rogers brought up H. G. Wells's The War of the Worlds while discussing reality television. He humorously referenced the ramifications of being mentioned in a negative context, drawing a parallel to a recipe for public relations disaster.
Discussed“You do not want your name in an Epstein book! You do not want your name in an Epstein book; that is a recipe for disaster for your PR!”
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The Wonderful Wizard of Oz
On an episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang titled “I’ve… Been Through”, released on November 6, 2024, host Matt Rogers discussed the cultural phenomenon of Oz ahead of an appearance by Wicked actress Ariana Grande. Matt explained that he and his co-host demonstrated their deep dedication and responsibility as longtime fans by doing extensive homework. This research notably included reading the classic original books written by L. Frank Baum to truly understand and live the material over the course of two decades.
Discussed“And now this is the film which is such a beautiful blessing and responsibility to have as people who also love it and have lived for this for 20 years and have done the research like read the L. Frank Baum books and have done their homework and have lived it and loved it!”
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Times Square Red, Times Square Blue
On the May 14, 2025 episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang titled “Turn Up The Volume” (w/ Tourmaline), Tourmaline brought up Samuel R. Delany's book Times Square Red, Times Square Blue. The book came up during a conversation discussing the history of Times Square, with Tourmaline asking if the hosts had read the work.
Recommended“And Samuel Delaney, I don't know if you've read like Times Square Red, Times Square Blue, right about it.”
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Trick Mirror
During an episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang titled The Iconic 400!, the speaker expressed deep appreciation for a writer's ability to communicate with urgency regarding societal issues, recalling discussions surrounding N.E. Schulman featured in the book Trick Mirror.
Discussed“Thank you for the way that you communicate, the way you write! The way that you write with importance! You write with urgency about the things that are plaguing society!”
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Utopia
During the September 18, 2024 episode of Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, one of the hosts talked about Thomas More's Utopia while discussing the documentary Chimp Crazy. The host humorously noted an amusing role reversal, contrasting their usual media habits with reading a serious book.
Discussed“And it was just so funny because you're watching 'Chimp Crazy,' and I was reading this book called 'Status and Culture' and I was like if this isn't role reversal like it's a role reversal 'cause usually I'm like watching like the Housewives and he's like reading a book!”
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Valley of the dolls
During the Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang episode titled Forever-Coded, released on July 26, 2023, Bowen Yang humorously referenced Valley of the Dolls by Jacqueline Susann. While discussing some dolls in a metaphorical context, Yang tied the conversation back to the themes of the source material, clarifying playfully that he meant good dolls rather than bad ones.
Discussed“I'm gonna be—I’m gonna see about some dolls in the Valley of the Dolls sense—but not the bad dolls! Right, 100!”
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Walt Disney
On the Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang episode Turn Up The Volume, guest Tourmaline discussed reading A.A. Christiansen's biography Walt Disney. Tourmaline noted that she was about halfway through the book and was reading it to draw inspiration for world-building in her own art.
Discussed“I'm reading um Walt Disney's biography right now like halfway through because like honestly that um I want to make art like that.”
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What Happened
On Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, co-host Matt Rogers referenced Hillary Rodham Clinton's book What Happened during the May 23, 2024 episode. He joked that anyone could write a book and give it that title and it would be great.
Discussed“Anyone can write any book and call it 'What Happened,' and it would be great.”
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What You Think of Me is None of My Business
On Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, guest Harper Steele discussed the self-help book 'What You Think of Me is None of My Business' by T. Cole-Whittaker during the September 25, 2024 episode ('Rode Hard And Put Away Wet'). Steele mentioned that her mother owned a copy of the book and shared that its title served as her personal mantra as a child.
Discussed“Here's a book that my mom literally had a self-help book on her shelf! Alright, called, It's None Of My Business What You Think Of Me! 30 seconds, we got there! And even as a little kid, that was my mantra!”
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Wild and Crazy Guys
On Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, guest Tina Fey discussed Nick de Semlyen's non-fiction book Wild and Crazy Guys. She highlighted how the book explores the era when comedy stars like Steve Martin and Eddie Murphy rose to fame.
Discussed“I read this book, I think it's called like Wild and Crazy Guys! And it's just a little nonfiction book about this, that span of time where like, it's like Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy, Bill Murray, Dan, it's like all of when they all were blowing up and what movies got made and whatever!”
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Guest picks
- A Court of Thorns and Roses
- Lost and Sound
- The Artist's Way
- The Gentle Art of Swedish Death Cleaning
- Times Square Red, Times Square Blue
- Walt Disney
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“You know what is thorns and roses? Oh, romantis. Okay. So, it has all the ingredients I should like totally”
“I'm reading um Walt Disney's biography right now like halfway through because like honestly that um I want to make art like that.”
“I mean, this is Marsha, The Joy and Defiance of Marcia P. Johnson. It is out May 20th, and you would enrich yourself to read it.”
“And Samuel Delaney, I don't know if you've read like Times Square Red, Times Square Blue, right about it.”
“There's a thing called Swedish death cleaning. I produced a show about it which is all about that. Swedish death cleaning. the gentle art of Swedish death cleaning, which is the Swedes believe one of the things that you can do for your family is you can clear out your stuff before you die.”
“Creatively, The Artist's Way. I don't know if you've ever That book taught me how to protect my creativity and like how to be really treat myself really well and be really gentle with myself.”
“we're reading a book now in the research um it's called Lost And Sound”
“we're reading a book now in the research um it's called Lost And Sound”
“I'm we're reading a book now in the research um it's called Lost And Sound um you know the the the the beginnings of berine and the EasyJet set”
“But somebody told me that a book editor—a book-on-tape editor had also worked on his memoirs! And I don't know how it came up, but he mentioned, he was like, 'Oh, the comedian Anna Gasteyer, she was a friend of—' which was such a weird feeling that he knew who I was!”
“That could be good; I still have to finish A Little Life. That’s a hard one!”
“And now this is the film which is such a beautiful blessing and responsibility to have as people who also love it and have lived for this for 20 years and have done the research like read the L. Frank Baum books and have done their homework and have lived it and loved it!”
“I looked for dark humor like dead baby jokes; I read The Exorcist for an eighth-grade book report, and I wrote about The Exorcist. That book is not appropriate for a 13-year-old!”
“It always says, 'Journal,' that's almost a thing you've been told from a young age–like the American Girl book and keeping of you is Dear America. Did you ever read this? Dear America?”
“I’m talking about there's an American Girl book from the mid-90s called The Care and Keeping of You that every young woman read! And it featured a graphic illustration of a girl putting a tampon in—every woman listening to this or watching this who was born in the late 80s or early 90s knows what I’m talking about!”
“But you can read the book! But like, and I honestly think it's so important that you speak so truthfully about that stuff because I think when we listen to your music, like when we listen to the song 'Outside', when we listen to 'Close My Eyes', and this is stuff that you really opened up about in 'Butterfly' and”
“And then from then on, I was a huge fan of hers and looked up all her... you know stuff from her life! Books about her, you know, books by Norman Mailer! You know, just like incredible!”
“Um, Slouching Towards Bethlehem! And of course, did you read Goodbye to All That when you left New York? I think people sent it to you!”
“And of course, did you read Goodbye to All That when you left New York? I think people sent it to you! No, did you send me that book?”
“Thank you for the way that you communicate, the way you write! The way that you write with importance! You write with urgency about the things that are plaguing society!”