Episode · Interesting Times · 2025-01-31
Books mentioned on Steve Bannon on Elon Musk and the Battle for Trump's Ear
Ross Douthat sits down with Steve Bannon to discuss the many right-wing factions vying for dominance in the Trump administration. 5:27 - From the Tea Party to MAGA 21:23 - Immigration and the working class 24:55 - Trump’s first term 28:59 - What does populism want to achieve?
Books mentioned, in the order they came up
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Fire and Fury
Fire and Fury by Michael Wolff is a sensational journalistic exposé that chronicles the internal chaos, media culture, and political strategies inside Donald Trump's White House.
Discussed“exiled from Trump World after Michael Wolf's book fire and fury came out”
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Profiles in courage
Profiles in Courage by John F.
Discussed“go read Jack Kennedy's profiles and courage you can add up the whole book and it doesn't come close”
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