Episode · Interesting Times · 2026-02-12

Books mentioned on Anthropic's CEO: ‘We Don’t Know if the Models Are Conscious’ | Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

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Books mentioned, in the order they came up

1. All watched over by machines of loving grace

   All watched over by machines of loving grace

   Richard Brautigan · at 59:22

   Discussed

   “and you supplied the poem 'Machines of Loving Grace' the name of a poem by Richard Brautigan. Yes here’s how the poem ends. I like to think it has to be of a cybernetic ecology where we are free of our labors and joined back to nature, returned to our mammal brothers and sisters, and all watched over by machines”

   Ross Douthat Anthropic's CEO: ‘We Don’t Know if the Models Are Conscious’ | Interes… 2026-02-12 Listen at 59:22

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