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The Systems Bible
The Beginner's Guide to Systems Large and Small : Being the Third Edition of Systemantics
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And you remind me of another favorite book called The Systems Bible by John Gall, which I picked up thinking it was going to help me design good systems. And all it really did was convince me not to have systems at all.
What they say about it
- Calls it a favorite“one of my favorite books”3
- References book repeatedly“reference it all the time”2
The best things said about it
The goal of any system is not the thing it was designed for, but it's actually to keep itself alive.
There's no such thing as a complex system that's just designed, complex, and implemented.
People in the system slowly get sucked into that system so they can't see anything outside of it.
The army is fully prepared to fight the last war.
There never has been, there's no examples of a complex system that people have designed and dropped in and then it's worked.
Why people recommend it
The Systems Bible by John Gall is a satirical yet insightful examination of how systems operate, fail, and evolve in daily organizational life. Patrick O'Shaughnessy frequently referenced the book across several episodes of Invest Like the Best. In discussions with guests like Carl Kawaja, Katherine Boyle, Henry Ward, and Tobi Lütke, O'Shaughnessy highlighted core maxims from the text. He noted the principle that the primary goal of any system is often just to keep itself alive rather than achieve its intended purpose, and that complex systems invariably evolve from simpler systems that worked rather than being successfully designed from scratch. While O'Shaughnessy found profound organizational wisdom in these pages, Tobi Lütke remarked that reading the text ultimately convinced him to rely more heavily on intuition and avoid over-systematizing his company entirely. Carl Kawaja also noted that he had ordered a copy after hearing recommendations. Across these podcast appearances, the book served as a recurring touchstone for evaluating government bureaucracy, product development, and the hidden pathologies of institutional design.
Every mention
Patrick O'Shaughnessy Have you ever read that book, The Systems Bible? I reference it all the time. I love it. Yes, I know. I ord… 6
“Have you ever read that book, The Systems Bible? I reference it all the time. I love it. Yes, I know. I ordered it. I haven't read it yet.”
“you remind me of this idea of this guy named John Gall who wrote a book called Systems Bible where the goal of any system is not the thing it was designed for but it's actually to keep itself alive”
“It reminds me of one of my favorite books by this guy, John Gall, called The Systems Bible. And one of the principles in The Systems Bible is there's no such thing as a complex system that's just designed, complex, and implemented.”
“And you remind me of another favorite book called The Systems Bible by John Gall, which I picked up thinking it was going to help me design good systems. And all it really did was convince me not to have systems at all”
“And thinking about the systems Bible again, one of my favorite lines in there is people in the system slowly get sucked into that system so they can't see anything outside of it. It becomes their world.”
“I read a, an interesting book. I've referenced a few times, um, called the systems Bible, which is a fascinating book. And one of the the things that talks about is that there never has been, there's no examples of a complex system that people have designed and dropped in and then it's worked, right?”
Zack Kanter And generally, we'll go back to the systems Bible book. The army is fully prepared to fight the last war. T… 1
“And generally, we'll go back to the systems Bible book. The army is fully prepared to fight the last war. That basically sums up all advice. This is backward looking.”