Episode · Conversations with Tyler · 2025-10-28

Books mentioned on Jonny Steinberg on South African Crime and Punishment, the Mandelas' Marriage, and the Post-Apartheid Era

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Tyler considers Winnie and Nelson: Portrait of a Marriage one of the best books of the last decade, and its author Jonny Steinberg one of the most underrated writers and thinkers—in North America, at least.

Books mentioned, in the order they came up

  1. Winnie and Nelson

    Jonny Steinberg · at 58:52 · mentioned 3 times

    Winnie and Nelson by Jonny Steinberg is an exhaustive, deeply researched dual biography that meticulously explores the complex marriage, political partnership, and profound personal struggles of Winnie and Nelson Mandela against the turbulent backdrop of South African history.

    Recommended
    “Again, for listeners, I'll recommend again Johnny's book, Winnie and Nelson, Portrait of a Marriage. One of my favorite books of the last 10 years.”
    Where to get it
  2. The Number

    Jonny Steinberg · at 11:15 · mentioned 2 times

    The Number by Jonny Steinberg is a gripping non-fiction book examining the violent prison gangs of South Africa and their internal codes of behavior.

    Discussed
    “Now, in your book, The Number, you studied prison gangs in South Africa. How did those gangs regulate the behavior of their members?”
    Where to get it