Lenny Rachitsky & Bob Moesta: books mentioned on Lenny's Podcast (Feb 2025)

“you just wrote a new book called job moves that I have right here what's kind of just the big idea behind this book the moment you stop making progress in your career is the moment you start looking for another job”

“in this conversation we talk about his new book that he believes is going to be even more impactful to the world than the jobs to be done framework the book is called job moves”

“and luckily you just wrote a new book called job moves that I have right here that has a very different set of advice and different perspective on how to approach these problems and if I may the job to be done of this episode is to help people find a job that they love”

“the book launched in November and ultimately it's uh I think that ultimately I'll be remembered more for this book than jobs to be done because I think there's a billion people a year who switch jobs and ultimately most of them end up with a job that's worse than the one they were at”

“the one of the things we do in the book so it's nine steps right for you to basically go through and the reality is is like I would tell you like I'm not sure anybody's going to do all nine steps but the fact is is like this is like if you're going to do this this is this”

“and so this book is a natural extension of that skill that I have and that I like to do and so it's one of it's not surprising I got here but like I I never would have guessed that I would have end up in the HR space trying to help people find their work”

“and so that was we talk about that in the book in terms of how do we unpack the language so you understand the causal mechanisms”

“because here's the thing is job descriptions should really be here's the context we're in here's what this role is about here's what progress means in this role and here's where here's here's how we will actually reward you for actually doing this work and and it's just not that way and so again I'm I'm working on a another”

“it's kind of weird but like I'm actually using the book as as uh like if you want to apply for a job with me we got to go through the process and so basically they have to come to me and tell me their energy drivers and drains they have to tell me what they're good at and what”

“but let's be clear I wrote this we wrote this Michael Horn and Ethan Bernstein and I we wrote this with the intent of helping employees hire companies and and ultimately we have a lot of companies coming back to us and saying Help Us fix the way we we recruit”

“so on job moves there's some resources and there's a test you can take and it'll tell you which Quest you're in so it asks you kind of pushes and pulls and puts it together then tells you the probability that you're in one of the one of the four quests”

“so I know you finished the book in November so I imagine that was related to your it was it was all about the launch of the book and it's like I I I I my whole thing is the book was done and it was like then the the the publisher put all this pre yeah they put so”

“um before we get to like where to buy the book and all these things is there anything else Bob that you wanted to share or you think is valuable”