Episode · Conversations with Tyler · 2026-07-15
Tyler Cowen & Chase Koch: books mentioned on Conversations with Tyler
Chase Koch on Principles, Music, and Overcoming Entropy
Chase Koch grew up receiving Sunday philosophy lessons from his father Charles and, by his own account, spent most of them half asleep while his sister supplied the answers.
Chase Koch recommended The Obstacle Is the Way by Ryan Holiday. Tyler Cowen discussed The Wall by Pink Floyd.
Books mentioned, in the order they came up
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The Obstacle Is the Way
The Obstacle Is the Way by Ryan Holiday is a popular modern guide to applying ancient Stoic philosophy to overcome adversity, drawing inspiration from historical figures who turned trials into triumphs.
Recommended“I read all the stoic philosophy. I’m a big fan of Ryan Holiday. One of the books that had a huge influence on me was The Obstacle Is the Way.”
Where to get it
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The Wall
The Wall by Pink Floyd is a legendary rock opera concept album that explores isolation, trauma, and psychological barrier-building.
Discussed“COWEN: You were age 13, and you heard the Pink Floyd album, The Wall, and it just floored you, right? Is there anything in music now that you think can do the same for today’s 13-year-olds?”
Where to get it
Other mentions in this episode (2) — ad reads, self-promotion and passing references, never counted
“He and his father, Charles Koch, have a new book out, which I was happy to blurb. It is called Becoming a Principle-Driven Leader: 41 Principles to Build an Enduring Business.”
“COWEN: Again, everyone, to repeat, Charles and Chase Koch have a new book out, Becoming a Principle-Driven Leader.”