Episode · Lenny's Podcast · 2025-12-28
Lenny Rachitsky & Matt MacInnis: books mentioned on Lenny's Podcast
10 contrarian leadership truths every leader needs to hear | Matt MacInnis (Rippling)
Matt MacInnis is the chief product officer and former longtime COO at Rippling, a unified workforce management platform valued at over $16 billion. We discuss: 1.
Matt MacInnis recommended Conscious Business by Fred Kofman, Thinking in Systems by Donella Meadows, and The Effective Executive by Peter F. Drucker.
Books mentioned, in the order they came up
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Conscious Business
Recommended“one one book is conscious business. I don't have conscious business in front of me because it's actually at the office because we have conscious business reading club at rippling”
Where to get it
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Thinking in Systems
Recommended“Number two, thinking and systems. Donna Meadows, I always mispronounce her name. Donella Meadows. She died partway through writing this manuscript.”
Where to get it
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The Effective Executive
Recommended“And then the third is classic 1960s the effective executive. It's an anacronism. It uses weird pronouns for the secretary and the executive.”
Where to get it
Other mentions in this episode (2) — ad reads, self-promotion and passing references, never counted
Passing Pale Blue Dot
“That is beautiful. I think about Pale Blue Dot, Carl Sean's, the whole thing. Just stunning photograph that literally changed the way I think about who I am as a person”
Passing Conscious Business
“I love the first one is you don't have it because you you're using it with your team constantly. You you mentioned at one point uh before we started recording, you have like eight copies of that book”