Number Go Up

“Number Go Up was one of my favorite books of last year. Yeah, this is another episode that's Ranjan-inspired. Ranjan, you kept shouting out Number Go Up on the show.”

“Because Zeke, like the core of your book is investigating Tether, which has all sorts of shady things happening beneath it, which you were able to uncover and a real questionable sort of provenance.”

“I want to talk to you about like one of the like clear negative externalities or uses of Tether, which is pig butchering, which you go into depth and take an amazing trip in your book to a place that was tied directly to these scandals.”

“because again from reading the book there's one thing that I kept thinking about going back to pig butchering it's almost rare you have a scam where both sides of the scam are victims”

“the book is called number go up it's by Zeke Fox you can get it in any bookstore of choice a favorite of Ranjan and I's we'll be talking about it on the show for quite some time”

“But as a quick promo, we're going to have Zeke Fox come in on the show. He wrote Number Goes Up, this great, great book. He's going to come on with Ranjan and I next Friday”

“But in terms of people losing their money too, the book, do you remember Axie Infinity and Square's Love Potion?”

“It's more just because right now it's trading as a proxy for the more people buy it, the more the value goes up. And as it always has, it's like Zeke Fox's book, Number Goes Up.”

“I think Axie Infinity to me, and actually, I mean, in terms of one of the things NumberGoUp, I think, did very well was tell the human stories of the people who lost out.”

“And obviously the absurdity isn't quite crypto dick butt level, but inspector gadget creator being part of it or all these other nuances is quite incredible. But, but again, the idea that every sign points to it should collapse and yet it holds”

“So I just finished reading Number Goes Up by Zeke Fox, which honestly was one of the most fun business books I've read in a long time, where it's written in kind of like almost like a mystery style travel the globe story format.”

“But so what's funny is, I actually, myself, so the author, Zeke Fox, he starts responding to it and takes them on this journey I'll quickly talk about, not to spoil too much from the book.”

“Well, I started Number Goes Up by Zeke Fox. And it is a fantastic read. I highly recommend it. I'm about a third of the way through right now.”

“If you do want to get something valuable and a deeper understanding about like how grifty this whole industry was and also how grifty Sam was, there's a book called Number Go Up by Zeke Fox.”

“If you do want to get something valuable and a a deeper understanding about like how grifty this whole was and also how grifty Sam was, there's a book called Number Go Up by Zeke Faux, Zeke Faux, um really good book, Number Go Up, which I do recommend to people curious for the dark side of crypto.”

“your great book which I love and recommend to people number go up is all about the embrace of the idea that the point here is more people buy in and then the number go up.”

“So, uh you spent the last two or three years writing this book. And there's so much you uncovered uh in terms of grift, crime, and insanity. And I guess everybody really wants to start with SBF.”

“Let's start with that. A moment which is very vivid in the book by the way. You're a great writer by the way, one writer to another. You really take you to that scene.”

“I mean, there it's somehow uh you know, as you go through this book here there's like um massive risk-taking fraud, crime and then some people figure out a way to go legit maybe.”

“And in in number go up, I investigated one of them, the game Axie infinity.”

“and the really dark part of it that I write about in the book is that the people the scammers themselves are often victims of human trafficking and there are these scam compounds in Cambodia Myanmar and Laos”

“But And the book he says like five years from now, but he he sold the spaceships. So he just sold people pictures. I mean, I I just uh I couldn't believe it, but I sort of thought that Sam had talked his way to the top and that like I believed he was running this offshore casino, but an”