Whipping Girl

“The one that was most emotionally impactful for me was getting to interview Dr. Julia Serrano, who um if you haven't listened to that episode, go listen to it. Great book. Whipping Girl is the book that literally created a bunch of the like like the concept of misgendering is like from that book, right?”

“And most famously, Whipping Girl, a new edition of which is coming out in March. Uh Dr. Serrano, welcome to the show. Hi, thanks for having me. I'm really really really happy you can join us.”

“And I think that's at at at the very best like an incredibly reductionist and and sort of simplified version of the analysis that you were presenting. So I guess I have two questions here.”

“But what isn't toxic is the new third edition of Whipping Girl coming out in March, which you can ask your local bookstore to pre-order now. And yeah, join us tomorrow for our discussion with Dr. Serrano of The Anatomy of Moral Panics.”

“And I think something that's good to read in in this moment on trans issues is Julia Serrano's book, Whipping Girl. We've I've had Julia Srano on the show before. She is one of the most important I mean, honestly, like feminist theorists of the last like of this century.”

“Where can people find a the new uh the the new edition of Whip and Girl and B you and your work on the internet andor other places? Sure. Yeah. So, the book should be available.”

“I don't know how much stronger I can possibly recommend reading Whipping Girl. It had I don't know it it had an enormous impact on me when I first read it and yeah it will it will it will do good things for you if you read it too.”

“I want to recommend Mia from Where It Could Happen Here show she recommended reading Whipping Girl by Julia Serrano and oh my god it's an incredible book”

“she recommended reading whipping Girl by Julia Serrano and oh my God it's incred it's an incredible book”

“And the book, this is something that a lot of times people who pick up the book now in like the 2020s don't necessarily realize is that nobody was reading anything about trans people outside of feminists and LGBTQ plus communities.”

“And kind of the way that I framed it in uh the book uh was which I think is a really useful kind of model for thinking about it is that there most of the types of sexism that feminists have described over the many years fall into two sort of camps.”

“And the book, this is something that a lot of times people who pick up the book now in like the 2020s don't necessarily realize is that nobody was reading anything about trans people outside of feminists and LGBTQ plus communities.”

“And it was from her blog post um, that was the first time I saw cis and trans and and the idea of cis sexism. And at the time, it was while I was writing the book.”

“So yeah um and so yeah so that's definitely something that is um kind of the one thing I uh one thing I did coin in the book that has kind of also taken a life on its own is trans misogyny.”

“And I felt like that was being underd discussed at the time. And that was not only a huge part of uh Whipping Girl, but that's become a part of a lot of my other books, like incl um how society sexualizes us and how we can fight back.”

“And kind of the way that I framed it in uh the book uh was which I think is a really useful kind of model for thinking about it is that there most of the types of sexism that feminists have described over the many years fall into two sort of camps.”

“I think for trans female and trans feminine people because our crossing of oppositional sexism also involves us kind of moving towards the female towards the feminine that there's kind of those two forces intersect in a way so that it's like exacerbated and and some of the ways I talk about this in whip and girl is that well”

“And this is one of the things that you know weapon girl for example there are a lot of bad ideas about trans people that had been circling lading for a long time especially with the culmination of Janice Raymond's book the transsexual empire in the 19 late 1970s 1979 I think”

“Same thing with one of these ideas that I talked about way back early in Whipping Girl and I've written other, you know, both academic papers and online essays about um this concept of autogophilia, which is this really old theory that just like it's kind of like this zombie.”