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but I I I've heard people raise this criticism and I know you have thick skin he says Vivek um he's not really running for president he hasn't really given up his job he's transitioned into another one he's not really thinking about what it means to be an American he's building a ginormous mailing list he's not really selling a vision that I have personally developed quote unquote he's running as Donald Trump's obsequious press secretary that's an as not a 2B as a candidate ramaswamy is not running to be Donald Trump's press secretary he is running as Trump's press secretary Rama Swami seems set to become the first Contender for president in American history whose approach to the race is to sell the virtues of the front runner better than the front runner can himself and he goes on to say as follows it was inevitable that at some point a talented entrepreneur would come along and truly industrialize the process and so it has come to pass ramaswamy 2024 by the book The ETF and the imminent show on Fox Business weekdays at 7 pm eastern time your thoughts on it I think it's pretty funny I don't know the guy I think I think it's an embodiment of why the National Review brand of conservatism has actually gone the way of irrelevance that it has in this country because the sense of respect that I exhibit in this race that he mistakes for being for one man about Donald Trump is actually for the people of this country who I'm running to serve okay so I think that the disrespect the quiet condescension I think there's a Wing of the Republican Party frankly that looks at the Maga voter the way that much of the democratic establishment looks at black people shut up sit down do as you're told because we're going to do better for you than you know how to do for yourself and I think that Charles cook I don't know the guy but based on his writings I think seems to embody that world view of of a old school republicanism that I think is long out the door and and I think that after confess I only read the first thanks for reading me the rest because it seems so far off the Mark I decided it wasn't worth my money to pay for the paywall to see the rest of that article so I got something out of that exchange that you just delivered look for me personally this is table Stakes for getting into a race you're running for U.S president you better be willing to take the heat and take a little bit of criticism or else you shouldn't be asking the American people to sit across the table from autocrats abroad it's my main issue with DeSantis is I think that you know he he refuses to take that heat I'll take that heat I have no problem with it but I think here's the here's the thing I mean the first part of our conversation I don't know if that sounded very much like a press secretary for Donald Trump to you Megan I'm drawing I will take this much further than Donald Trump absolutely and I've heard you say differences with between you and Trump before yeah I think Charlie I love Charlie and I love National Review but I do think that they're definitely more drafting behind DeSantis right now they're not necessarily Trump fans yeah of course you haven't won the most so far yeah DeSantis loves that I mean he's we could talk about this Anna separately uh that's beside the point let's do that let's talk about him because at this point though just to finish this the most funny part about that is I think that he quoted the price of the books a book for 27.99 if you think I'm making money off books that tells you exactly or that's your money I do want to say can I just say that analysis so you've never told me how much you're worth but there are you know definitely reports that it starts with a b and I will say in our own past history without really even knowing each other um more than once Vivek through other people has reached out to me to help people who have come on this show who have been canceled or hurt by cancel culture or had their their lives ruined doing I'm not even gonna embarrass you by telling the stories but extraordinary acts of kindness for these people who are in trouble so I know it's not about money for you I know that it is a heartfelt situation for you so you know and I'll tell Charlie that when I talk to him okay yeah that's okay yeah well we can still be let's spend a minute yeah sure there was this he's gonna let he's gonna he'll learn to love trust me um the uh DeSantis was in the news yesterday for this kind of weird exchange and I don't totally understand what happened with it but he looked a little deer in the headlights e it's more of a clip for YouTube so our listening audience tried to use your imagination to picture him kind of blinking and looking a little off when he was asked in Japan about I think it was Trump's criticisms here's here's a bit sod 11. Governor I'll show you falling behind a trumpet I'm not I'm not a candidate so we'll see if and when that changes the polls show you falling behind Trump so what's your response and he just very very sort of weird moment with the facial Express what do you what what do you what is going on in that because it went totally viral yesterday I think there's a lot of insecurity I mean look I actually shared a stage with Ron DeSantis Juan said an event uh you know we both spoke I was on my Wok Inc book tour he was the main speaker of people came to hear him not me but I was also on that stage and you know I got a standing ovation he got a more muted response he left and stormed off stage he was supposed to stay for the dinner he didn't and I got coached afterwards be careful not to upstage him again it's the kind of thing that you look I think he's he's been quite a good Governor actually look I think Christy gnome did a fantastic job on covet I think Ron DeSantis followed her lead did a great job too he's somebody who actually is a does a good job of following other people's great ideas and executing them and that's not a criticism that's a compliment actually to be able to see other people's great ideas you don't have to be the Visionary you can be the executor I think that's part of what's made him a successful governor I think that we live in a moment in American history now though where we need not only somebody who can execute but somebody who can actually be a Visionary in the white house because we have an entire generation that needs to be inspired around what it means to be American and I think if you're the guy who's going to say I'm not going to talk to NBC News because they're not nice to me I go take I go toe-to-toe with Chuck Todd I've done it just like I do with Don Lemon I have no problem with that or won't go to a college campus Because the script isn't set about what kinds of questions you're going to get won't tell you whether you got the second covet shot or not I think you're not suited to sit across the table from Xi Jinping actually with a spine and represent American interests at the top job and so I think that a big part of this is he's doing a fine job a great job I would say where he is we require many foot soldiers in this National Revival Governors are important to do this at the state level but when you have the combination of you know thin skin without actually having real vision of your own I think that that actually just Falls a little bit short of what we need in this country and very honestly Megan I I tried to squint and see every way from Sunday to really get excited about you know maybe this is a guy I can I can get behind because there's easier ways to do this than to spend gods of our family's money and the time and the sacrifices we make traveling across this country life was good starting businesses and writing books raising a three-year-old and a 10 month old but when I see that vacuum I don't think Ron DeSantis is going to be anything close to a Ronald Reagan leading a national Revival I think he could be a good troll of the left I think his excellent troll of the left at times but I think when we're looking for a leader of a Nation that's going through a national identity crisis that just ain't it and I think that when we're thinking about putting the country first we can't have somebody whose ego needs to be massaged and thin skin need to be managed because the world it's it's the rule of the jungle on the global stage with Xi Jinping or otherwise okay I think we need someone with an actual spine some of these plans are outlined in capitalist punishment the way what I love about the wave of egg writes is it's very easy to understand he he makes it like clear for people like me who don't have a lot of time to pour over the book at night and we're tired and so he is he's very pithy but his ideas come across very clear and you can learn a lot about what's happening with his ESG nonsense and his plan to stop it but in the time we have left I've got to ask you about Tucker Carlson because now there are jokes going around that you are like the Grim Reaper you were set to go on Tucker's show last night you were on Don lemon's show last week and yeah you did you didn't know Tucker was going to get fired but you did go on last night so how how did it go and was that uncomfortable for you it's it wasn't kill Meads here's the here's the the meme Don Lemon it's like Don Lemon with the door and blood coming out Tucker Carlson with door open and blood coming out and then there's Vivek as the Grim Reaper knocking on the third door who's behind the door Joy Reed who's there I think that I think that that was true for Don Lemon Tucker's a friend I respect the heck out of the guy Megan because the thing I respect most about him is he's willing to Buck any Orthodoxy even in the GOP I was just watching I don't watch the shows I don't watch TV super often but I happen to be watching it last week and there's someone from Peta that was on the show I respect that right there's somebody who he disagrees with on a lot of things but there's something he found common cause and agreement with he was talking about the cancellation or even the political arrest of some black nationalists who he surely does not agree with on a lot but was saying you know it's one it's interesting how the left used to be the party that said the movement that said I will defend to the death your right to say it even if I disagree with you I think Tucker Carlson is probably one of the best embodiments of that in America today and so look I think that I think he's a friend but at the end of the day I don't know what went down there I do think that whatever it's going to be that he does next I mean there were some people were asking me yesterday if I thought he should enter the presidential race I said that's a decision for I can tell you from first personal experience you should do that only if you are called to actually not doing that but yeah but my point is whatever he does I'm sure he's going to have a continued positive impact on the discourse of the country in the meantime I think that we're going to each have to continue speaking truth and I had a good conversation with Brian yesterday about why I think the you know the elect the 2024 election is teed up for Success if we step up and capture it but you raise such a good point on the left's old message I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death you're right to say it contrast that with AOC deep platforming works I mean my God what a shift on the left that's why it's important to have voices like yours out there Vivek thank you thanks for the book thanks for coming on again the new book is called capitalist punishment it's out today if it's anything like vivek's other books it's going to be a bestseller and well worth your time great to see you my friend thank you Megan appreciate it and don't 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Megyn Kelly mentions a column that referenced the book *Pride and Prejudice* by Jane Austen, comparing Vivek Ramaswamy to a character from the book.

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I mean look I actually shared a stage with Ron DeSantis Juan said an event uh you know we both spoke I was on my Wok Inc book tour he was the main speaker of people came to hear him not me but I was also on that stage

Vivek Ramaswamy mentions being on a book tour for his previous book, referring to it by a shortened title.

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